The closure of the Bay Bridge here in San Francisco has made our city streets impassable and probably prevented a fairly large number of the Humane Society of the United States' natural constituency as well as their foes from turning up tonight.
I'll be liveblogging the town hall meeting, so just a couple of reminders: This is live, so there will be typos. Only things in quotations marks are direct quotes; everything else is a paraphrase. I'll update now and then, so if you come across this post while the event is still in progress, just hit "refresh" to see new material.
Here we go. :)
This town hall is part of a series of events across the nation. Jennifer Fearing is head of HSUS here in California, and she is speaking first.
This is Wayne's first California town hall, in "America's most humane city," San Francisco. This is Wayne's fifth year as CEO of HSUS. So much has changed so rapidly in those years.
Wayne takes the podium.
Thanks audience for coming, thanks Jennifer. "We're very blessed to have so many people devoted to changing the world."
Thank you all for supporting the organization. For 10 years before becoming CEO, was in charge of communications and before that, head of Fund For Animals. Has spent his whole life focused on animals.
As a little kid, he knew animals were different -- in good ways. Beautiful, thick fur, ran fast... I thought, this is magic. These animals are incredible. I didn't need a degree in animal science or philosophy to know I needed to be decent to animals. I think kids naturally understand this. It's about reclaiming that instinctive reaction to animals.
We don't really argue that humans and non-humans are equals. Frankly, we are not all equal in terms of our abilities as humans. We have diversity within our own communities. We don't give more attention or respect to the people who do something better. We realize everyone matters. A civil society works when we all work together.
We aren't just concerned with our own ends. We interact with each other, with other nations. We have to be good to each other. That is what makes society work. And we want to extend that to animals, too.
That doesn't require equality, but there are ways in which animals are our equals. They want to live, care about family members. They don't have to be just like us, though, for us to care about them.
When it comes to animals, we (humans) hold all the cards. Look at how we dealt with the buffalo, for example -- attitude of dominance. In just a few decades we eradicated 40-60 million bison. Now have only 5000 animals surviving in Yellowstone Park.
The passenger pigeon used to fly in flocks so large they would "blot out the sun." The last one died in the 40s.
We have incredible destructive power if we don't impose some limits. We want to balance the interests in society, and prove we can have a good, decent life without hurting animals.
Says bless everyone who cares about rabbits, pit bulls, feral cats, wolves... we have incredible pluralism when it comes to animals. It adds up to a powerful movement.
HSUS has a particular role in this movement. We want to care for animals on the ground. We want hands on care. We want to combat animal cruelty on any level. But we also want to take a big picture approach.
Wayne brings up Center for Consumer Freedom, says it's a badge of honor that they attack HSUS. He says they say HSUS does not run all the animal shelters in this country.... Wayne says nowhere on their website do they say they do, but they do help shelters who do this vital work.
Eight million dogs and cats enter shelters every year. 3 million of them are euthanized even though they are healthy and treatable. We have nearly tripled the number of animals in people's homes, and the number euthanized has gone down dramatically.
We're very excited about the project we've launched with Maddie's Fund, the Shelter Pet Project. It is pointing out that just because an animal is in a shelter doesn't mean the animal has a defect. Maybe there was a divorce or illness.
Shelter animals are fabulous. They're vaccinated, sterilized, wonderful. We need to address the needs of those 3 million healthy treatable animals.
But what about the hundreds of millions of animals killed for fur, used in medical testing, harmed in inhumane agriculture. HSUS will never restrict itself to just those dogs and cats.
The fate of animals raised for food must be the focus of anyone concerned about animal welfare. Agriculture doesn't just operate at high volume, but so many in agribusiness view them as meat, milk and egg producing machines. Connection between farmer and animal has been severed. How do you have a connection with animals when there are 150K laying hens or 17K pigs in confinement. Very little labor input, great mechanization. How do you have that connection?
We feel a duty to address animal issues related to ag. The genetics of how we have transformed these animals to turn them into meat, milk and egg producing machines.
So many of you who worked on Prop 2 here in California, and our friend, Senator Dean Florez who is here tonight -- we addressed this issue through the initiative process, and we faced a wide range of opponents. Egg, pork, veal industry. We were saying animals that are built to move should b3e allowed to move. It's not about eating animals or not eating animals, but IF animals are going to be raised for food, they should not be treatedin this inhumane way.
A lot of us who care about this issue get overwhelmed with the idea that there is so much abuse, but this was an example of how the majority of people decided we should be better to animals. And despite the claims of opponents that food prices would soar, people still thought we should be decent to animals.
It's had a long tail already. Maine and Michigan have adopted measures to protect farm animals, too. Michigan is seventh state in last 3 years to restrict these inhumane egg producing practices.
We need to think about our food choices. We need to care about how these billions of animals are treated. And it's not sustainable -- water, soil, environmental issues.
I want to address the subject of Michael Vick. Some of you have written to me about this. I have listened to all the voices. This is a very personal one for me. I talked to a friend of mine who is a court certified expert on dog fighting in Sacramento (Eric?). He told Wayne there are 5 states where cock fighting is legal, mostly a misdemeanor.
Dog fighting, including street fighting, is on the rise. Young kids, mostly African American and Latino, are fighting their dogs in alleys and streets.
Wayne said they had to do something. At that point we said we're going to ratchet up our dog fighting and cock fighting campaign. Cock fighting is now illegal in all states, and dog fighting is a felony in all 50 states. Also banned interstate travel of fighting animals, which is one of the things Vick was charged with.
Vick should not have gotten off. We pursued that case with vigor. We provided a key confidential informant, campaigned to get the NFL, Nike, the Falcons to drop him. We took that anger and immediately began to channel it into action.
We upgraded the federal law, and now 27 states have upgraded their laws, including California. We have a tip line and a rewards program. Vick was convicted, of course -- federal prosecutors took it seriously. He pled guilty. He got a strict sentence and served two years in prison. (Note from Christie: but not for anything he did to the dogs. For racketeering.)
Vick came to HSUS, the organization that helped send him to prison. They talked for a long time. "I said Michael, you want to be involved in anti dog fighting work, and that's great. We're always looking for recruits. But I don't want you to do a PSA. I want you to talk to the kids we're not having much of a discourse with."
Vick started fighting dogs when he was 8 years old. Those kids never hear from someone like me, and they never hear from an athlete telling them these things are wrong.
Are we about endlessly flogging an individual, or are we ab out societal change. It's very easy to get a Jennifer Fearing involved. But can we take people who take terrible things and make them a contributing member of society, to reach audiences we have never reached?
If he doesn't fulfill his obligations, if he doesn't live up to this, we'll be the first to criticize him. But I've seen Michael Vick telling people who never listen to me, don't do what I did. Be good to animals.
"The proof is in the pudding. N9othing good comes from just isolating him." I want him to contribute with his labor to combat the ongoing scourge of street fighting...."
Our movement is too fractured. We're not having the impact we could have. On my second day as CEO, I told Mike Markarian, we can be stronger if we unite. Merged with Fund For Animals. Pour savings into new programs and activities.
Made same pitch to Doris Day. Said it would be her legacy. Want an organization as powerful on our issues as NRA is on theirs.
We've merged with several organizations not becuase we're on ap ower kick, but because the animals need a powerful group. Need best lobbyists, communications specialists, veterinarians.
I'm heartened by the change. I see more cruelty and suffering than most of youcould contemplate. I see it on the ground, I see the footage from all sorts of terrible operations. I see the worst sides of humanity. But I also see the best. I see people like you, who take money from your pocket and time from your schedule, who expose yourself to the emotional pain and resolve to take action to make this world a better place.
This year we broke the record for new animal protection laws... 117. In four years we've nearly doubled the output. We have more traction with congress. 47 lawyers working in our litigation department.
Burgeoning awareness, surge of lawmaking -- things are changing. With animals is not all or nothing.
Animal abuse, and poverty, and violations of human rights will always be with us. But it doesn't mean you give up. All these things we do change the lives of individual animals, and every life saved is a 100 percent victory for that animal.
If you ever feel overwhelmed, think about that one animal.
Each of us has the power to change the life of one animal. And together as a group as large as HSUS, we have the power to change billions.
Introduced Sen. Dean Florez, Humane Legislator of the Year. Audience gave standing ovation.
Florez: Very proud to receive award. My county is the biggest factory farming area in the state. Barack Obama lost overwhelmingly there. Prop 8 passed humongously. But Prop 2 passed big time. If you've got Kern County, you've won.
Said I'm Latino, and I want to talk about Michael Vick. That's a message we just don't hear anywhere. Our kids are learning what Michael Vick learned at a very young age. It makes a difference when a Michael Vick, where you never see people of color address this issue -- if Wayne can get Michael Vick to go into these areas, we will change California in a very big way.
Applause.
(They showed a video I'll have more to say about later. Taking opportunity to fix some typos.)
Open to questions from audience, mixed with questions submitted in advance through website.
Q: What are we going to do about "crush" videos.
A: Bob Stevens is a publisher and videographer of dog fighting video. We got a law passed making it illegal to sell images of animal cruelty. We used them against "crush" videos, and "crush"industry went away under threat of federal felony. Bob Stevens was convicted and appealed. Court overturned statute and said it was overbroad and vague and interfered with free speech.
Bush's lawyers appealed up to Supreme Court, and then Obama's solicitor general stayed with the case. 36 state attorneys general sided with us; none against us. Media organizations took position it was against free speech.
Did not go well and he expects they'll affirm overturning, but will give guidelines on how this can be accomplished if it goes back to Congress.
Q: Database of animal abusers?
A: Is in progress.
Q: You say you're a threat to agribusiness, but what about animal research? Interest and energy has waned. What is HSUS doing to end animal research?
A: Animal research is the toughest issue. We are focusing on animal TESTING. We're working with P&G, DuPont, many other orgs. We see by perhaps 2020 a worldwide end to animal testing. In Europe, 4.5 million animals will be saved from chemical testing.
I don't quite see the political pathway to ending animal research. We are seeing alternatives being effective. Our approach is refining techniques to elminate pain and distress; reduce numbers; replace with non-animal approaches. Many instituations are embracing this "3 R" approach.
Q: Can anti-trust laws be used against agribusiness?
A: You see fewer producers, more animals. I do think there are issues here, and opportunities. We want to work with companies to change their practices, but we'll look at all legal options -- anti-trust, environmental, anti-cruelty.
It is folks in rural communities who suffer the most from factory farming. Groundwater polluted. Can't walk out of their homes. We want to make alliance with farm workers and residents of rural areas.
Recc'd Pollan's "Omnivore's Dilemma," "Fast Food Nation."
Q: National law about transporing horses for slaughter for human consumption.
A: Horses are going to Mexico, Canada. We definitely have notes in the US House to pass this, and we're encouraging Nancy Pelosi. Very confident we'll psas in House, but we may need 60 votes because there may be a filibuster. Ask your lawmakers to get behind this legislation and fight for it. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Q: Wild horses are being harassed. HSUS is supporting a law that will basically eradicate those horses. Land set aside to protect these horses has been whittled away. Rome Act passed House in July, stuck in Senate. Please re-think supporting this horrible, horrible proposition.
A: According to BLM there are 35K wild horses and burros in US. In 1971 Congress passed law to protect them as living symbols of our heritage. We suppor that but are disappointed in its implementation.
BLM manages the land, and the cattle industry and other resource users in the west don't like the fact that wild horses and burros eat grass and forage on our public lands. They want to graze cattle there. Big push to round up the horses, by helicopter or other means. Remove them from the range, then adopt them out.
The problem is, they have removed more horses than they can adopt, and now have 32K wild horses and burros in short term holding facilities. Using money to care for captive horses that was supposed to go to care for them on public lands.
We supported the Rome Act. But we see the fact that it's going to be very difficult in Congress to reclaim those lands. Political power in Senate will fight that. Unless we change the dynamic, I fear we'll be on the treadmill with it.
HSUS spent millions of dollars to develop a contraceptive vaccine to delay or stall reproduction in horses. We're been using it in the East on island to slow growth of population. More human population control
So what we embraced from Salazar was his pledge that they were going to re-orient this program and focus on contraception rather than round up and eradication. We are going to work in the House to get the right provisions.
They want to move the captive populations to Eastern and Midwestern states. The lands in the East have more grass and forage. We want fewer round ups and fewer removals, and more contraception. Details will be sorted out in Congress, and I assure you we'll be advocates for the wild horses and burros.
Q: Status on mandatory spay/neuter bill, SB 250. Meant to have fines on backyard breeders and ban puppy mills.
A: That's Dean's bill. It's not mandatory spay/neuter. It's differential licensing, and you'd pay a higher fee if you had an intact animal. (From Christie: ummm, no.) Presumption in bill is to encourage s/n but not mandatory s/n. It didn't have anything to do with puppy mills. There are no fines for backyard breeding.
Person in audience: I got my information from the head of the Santa Cruz SPCA. I guess I got bad information.
Q: Fighting aerial hunting of wolves.
A: Doing this in wilderness areas where there aren't even any human-wolf conflicts. I'm very disappointed in Obama administration on the wolf issues. De-listed wolves in Northern Rockies and tried to de-list Great Lakes wolves. De-listed in Montana and Idaho, and some of the Yellowstone wolves who strayed out of the park were killed by a hunter. Obama admin has done some good things for animals but has some problems as well.
Q: Im against breeding animals, as most are in this room. I started doing volunteer work for Guide Dogs for the Blind, and I encourage people to do up there and have a tour. They do breed the dogs there for a specific purpose. I'm proud of how the animals are treated there. What is position of HSUS on that?
A: There are around 165 million dogs and cats in people's homes. 3 million healthy and treatable euthanized. Around 20 percent of dogs and cats come from shelters, 80 percent from other sources. THere are not enough dogs and cats in shelters to satisfy the demand. Breeding is necessary at some level. It needs to be done in a responsible sort of way.
We have been targeting the puppy mills, breeding activities that cause genetic problems in purebreds, that lead to chronic phytsical problems. They need to engage in proper breeding so these animals don't suffer as they get older.
As regards service animals, our policy is on our website. We like to have shelter animals used , but we are not opposed to it either way.
Q: How do we help animals without resorting to ballot initiatives and infighting?
A: We don't want to do ballot initiatives, but agribusiness has too much power to fight any other way. Tail docking of cows, veal confinement, no standards of human slaughter for poultry -- we are very eager to talk to the ag community. I'll talk to anyone about these problems. I want to talk to hunters about ending canned hunts, to animal researchers -- a lot of good people are involved on the other side, and we want to move them in our direction. I want to nurture the best instincts in everyone we deal with.
Audience comment: "If it's a woman in a fur coat speaking out against veal, I'll take it."
Question: Do yuou have a timeline on when shelter deaths will go down to zero?
A: I'm hoping by 2015. I'm hoping the Shelter Pet Project will be part of that. The research done for that campaign showed there are 41 million Americans planning on getting an animal who haven't decided where they'll get that animal yet. 17 million will get one in the next year. We only need to turn 3 million of f hem.
This is research driven. It's statistic driven. We spend a lot of money on rescue, but look at Pfizer or whoever, now we all know what erectile dysfunction is, why don't we have advertising for animals to drive the message? (Applause)
You now, we are all coming at this from different positions. You know, hunters love their dogs. For someone, they might change overnight when they visit a slaughterhouse. For others, it will be a gradual thing.
Q: Those three million dogs and cats being killed in shelters. I see cooperation wtih you and Maddie's Fund here and with the ASPCA in the Helmsley lawsuit, but I don't see it on the community level. There is so much infighting. Can you devote your influence to healing the gap between people in the community (re: no-kill)?
A: The no-kill movement has caused us to question the use of euthanasia as a tool to manage excess population. We (HSUS) have embraced no-kill as a goal. Killing animals is a bad thing.
I have seen many traditional shelters who have embraced this 2020 viasion to eliminate euthanasia in this country. I don't see this divide between traditional and no-kill shelters anymore. Maddie's Fund has been a leader in that area. But there are difficult personalities who cloak their antagonism in an ideological difference.
Audience: It might help if you could reach out and heal that divide, too. (Applause, laughter.)
(I missed a question re: declawing -- sorry.)
Q: Greyhound racing. 10K dogs being killed each year, not humanely. And greyhound racing often comes under state gaming, so with muscle of HSUS, what can you do? (She is from Greyhound Friends for Life.)
HSUS: We support the end of greyhound racing, And greyhound racing is dying. It's being overtaken by other kinds of gambling. Tracks not pleasant, people wagering less. We see key as Florida. We are working to de-couple gambling and racing, as a first step.
Wayne: Invited everyone to read his blog. Applause, thanks, end.
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