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23 January 2008

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EmilyS

"I cannot support the sad and needless euthanasia of animals simply because we refuse to prevent them from being born."



well, gee, then STOP KILLING THEM.

Lis

SOOoooo right – - mandatory laws do NOT work – just take a look at Prohibition – there were NOT less drinkers, jsut drove the whole industry underground!



Oddly enough, that Prohibition "didn't work" is one of the great myths of recent history. Prior to Prohibition, it was normal for people to arrive at work already slightly tipsy. After Prohibition, total alcohol consumption didn't rise to pre-Prohibition levels again until the 1970s--and we have never come close since then to pre-Prohibition per capita consumption levels.



So Prohibition did work for its intended purpose. Whether the unintended consequences were worth it is another question, of course.



OTOH, treating marijuana (not much different from alcohol and tobacco in its effects) legally like heroin and cocaine, mainly has the effect of causing people who want to indulge in this relatively harmless drug to deal with the same people who dispense the much more dangerous and much more addictive ones. More unintended consequences...

Carol

WOW have you ever hit the proverbial nail on the head!!! You are SOOoooo right - - mandatory laws do NOT work - just take a look at Prohibition - there were NOT less drinkers, jsut drove the whole industry underground!



I actually had to help some young adults with an animal they got from the shelter - it was ID'd as a boy - when, in reality, it was a GIRL. Sad - those purported experts can't even determine gender???

Diane Amble

discounts for Canine Good Citizen certification [much like discounts on car insurance for good driving courses]--- great idea!!! All we can do to reinforce the training of dogs in disciplines such as obedience is a critical component in protecting the dog's future as well as being addititional "insurance" that that dog will always have a place, be it with a new family or a new landlord.

Dorene

Based on what I've been reading here about pets being placed in shelters because of home foreclosures, it seems the most expedient thing that CA could do to empty shelters is to come up with decent regulations for landlords that encourage pet ownership.



Rather than wringing their hands over "irresponsible pet owners," organizations with a bully pulpit and resources such as the one mentioned above should be getting either some pro-bono or reduced-rate legal assitance to come up with laws that protect landlords (renters must pay for pet damage) and encourage pet ownership (security deposits a reasonable amount, discounts for Canine Good Citizen certification [much like discounts on car insurance for good driving courses], etc.



Make it easy for good people to do the right thing, lay out the rights and responsibilities of all parties and watch the shelters empty.

Nadine L.

Brillian piece, Christie. You've laid it out so clearly. Miller is not the only or last person who has or will be co-opting the language. Your excellent explanation needs to get out into cyberspace to as many as possible. I will share it with everyone on my mailing list. Hope others do the same.



You've lit the fire under me!

GG

Yep, welcome to my world down here in San Bernardino and Riverside counties where we have two (up from one) animal control officer to handle all the mountain communities here on the mountain.



Take a step back about 20-30 years and that is what it is like in many of the areas here.



Nice rant...I am sure I have more to say about it but it has been a long day!

Lynn

Excellent piece, Christie!



I just despise it when people such as Miller exploit another issue to benefit their own agenda. Deplorable.



Maybe we should chip in and buy plane tickets to southern CA for all the heads of animal control agencies in the US, shanghai them off to an empty aircraft hanger I know of, lock them inside - no food, no water - and force-feed them non-stop of Winograd's No-Kill Equation for as long as it takes for Stockholm Syndrome to take hold. We won't release them until each can recite from memory pages 189-204 without error.



Seriously, do these people realize how stupid we know they are?



Again, great piece, Christie.

deb

Arizona seems to be the next state on the list seeking to enact mandatory speuter legislation.

http://tinyurl.com/27c3k7 Insert headwall bashing emoticon here!

The Commonwealth of Virginia, home to AKC, is also working on similar legislation.

In the Arizona legislation, the dog must be speutered by 6 months unless it has earned some sort of approved title. Agility organizations don't allow dogs that young to compete, and it takes at least a year to train one for competition (longer for the human half of the team).

These mandatory laws are like building a wall across the US/Mexican border to curb illegal immigration. It doesn't work, yet we persist with these futile attempts. When are we going to learn ( if ever)????

Touch my 2 boyz' " manly parts" Oh Grand Ole State of Me, and I will fight you all the way to the Supreme Court!!! Arrrghhhhh!

The OTHER Pat

Comment by deb — January 24, 2008 @ 4:55 am



"In the Arizona legislation, the dog must be speutered by 6 months unless it has earned some sort of approved title. Agility organizations don’t allow dogs that young to compete, and it takes at least a year to train one for competition"



Do these people do ANY sort of research before crafting these pieces of cr- um - legislation? (Rhetorical question - I already know the answer.)

Kansas City KS Kills Dogs

I live in a town in the midwest that has had MSN for a few years along with other crappy legislation. The law was passed with no regard for the hobby breeders, dog show folks, agility folks, etc. In fact this group of dogowners chose to move out of the city and county.



The city leaders have not invested any money into lowcost s/n, in fact a private donor who wanted to donate $30,000 for a mobile s/n unit finally had to commit the funds elsewhere. The mayor and powers to be refused to take action, despite the recommendations of a task force that had studied the city's AC issues.



The ACO's do not try to educate owners about s/n, locations of lowcost clinics or assist in transporting dogs and cats to these clinics. Now AC just confiscates the pets, euthanizing them at taxpayer expense.



This is the reality of legislated MSN.

Susan

What a joke this Miller clown is. I live in Riverside County and there is currently a 2-month wait time to get a pet into their spay/neuter clinic, PLUS they won't spay/neuter feral cats (thankfully, there is a private vet here in Riverside who does S/N of ferals for only $15 and $25, bless him!). How can he expect to reduce pet population by spay/neuter when you can't even get into his clinics? Progress begins at home, I say.

Terry

We all love our pets and I believe there are many solutions yet to be tried. I know most view our pets as family members however, a court of law will not categorize or view pets in this manner. Keep in mind that pets are also personal property and when you consider this, AB 1364 as written, should fail in any court law. In simple terms it a regulatory taking without due process. It would also grant over reaching police powers to the state and local governments. It encroaches upon personal liberty. In essence it would void many constitutional principles well established and adjudicated.

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