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12 April 2007

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Meghan

Would Mr. Ekedahl of the Pet Food Institure (PFI) eat that can of dog food the Senator was holding? He was annoying, protecting his butt.

Andrea

Hurrah for Durbin!! That's my Senator!! He may not be as cute as Obama, but he knows what he's doing.

Maureen

Sen. Durbin did a good job of questioning the panelists at the end, but he was also responsible for the quality of the panel. One veterinarian, Dr. Elizabeth Hodgkins had a different point of view than ALL the other industry and FDA panelists. It's easy to do what he did to assuage those relatively few of us who were watching or listening to the hearing.



It's not easy getting a truly grassroots organization together (think MADD, Mothers Against Drunk Driving) that has long range goals and organizes by state and congressional district. We have the issue and the passion, but it takes more than that. The Senator from WI should hear from Wisconsin pet owners, Durbin from IL pet owners, etc. State officials should hear from their voters/pet owners. Otherwise, the poster's question, "What happens now?" will go unanswered.

Linda

Senator Durbin - very impressive - he's up to speed that's for sure. And as to the rest of the dummies, well how transparent can you get!



Linda MS

Cynthia

and yuck! I don't like the idea of Ekedahl et al having anything to do with a 'Commission'. He is not about safety... he's about money.



http://www.pr-inside.com/new-national-pet-food-commission-formed-r92269.htm

Marcy

We have power with our spending dollars.



Put your money in what you believe in.



If their sales go down, it will send a BIG message to corporate pet food retailers. Either shape up, or ship out! We're not listening anymore to your slick ads, pretty packaging, and lies.



Did anyone notice today that Nestle is buying out Gerber? Now that sounds like trouble!!!



They can't even feed our pets correctly...and now they want to feed our children!



Lord help us...

DeeAnn

My reply to Sen Durbin on his website.



Thank you for your efforts to this tragedy regarding the pet food recall.



I am shocked about what I have learned about the pet food industry. There is good money to be made with a good product, so it is not necessary to shun regulations or just good practices. However, the industry has chosen to do so.



I no longer trust "them" and will make my own pet food based on good research to the best of my ability.

E. Hamilton

The woman Vet- Claudia Kirk- she is a shill for the pet food industry and that is ALL she is, bought and paid for just like Banfield!

When I saw that she was listed as a witness I knew the deck was stacked.

Durbin called them on some stuff but he needs to know that he was lied to and we need to know what next steps can be taken.

I have written letters to Durbin thanking him, asking more to be done, and to other members of the committee.

Please thank Durbin too.

And while you are doing that , take what you have learned here and give it to a reporter.

There are political investigative reporters who need to know this information.

There are plenty of political connections in the story.

They can keep this story from dying.

Jay

This snippet pertinent to the recent testimony. Full article available at:



http://leda.law.harvard.edu/leda/data/784/Patrick06.html



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MFEMFEM

No matter what anyone says Sen. Byrd showed honest emotion as a pet owner and lover.



It became obvious that AAFCO with its one employee and a few voluntary committees is just a front and puppet of the pet food manufacturers. Its "standards label" is worthless.



As for you know who, what a piece of work! Must be nice to get paid big, big $$$, be able to wear $2000 tailored Italian silk suits, afford a $500 hair job, and get to lie through your teeth - it's obvious the dental work was first class too.



As for Sen. Durbin, Thank You!

Jay

Oops -- the snippet!



Active members of PFI include every major pet food manufacturer in the country, from Natural Balance Pet Foods Inc. to Nestle Purina PetCare Company.[110] PFI members constitute 97% of domestic pet food production.[111]

Lynn

To Linda MS [2:21 PM message]



I just called my local B&N and they’re totally sold out of the book. Figure 8 business days to get it in.



I think that was Kirk who’s hell-bent on people not cooking for their pets. I think she’s got her head up a tree. I think the reason why the deaths and illnesses went down the past few days is because more and more people stopped buying the stuff sold commercially.



I have a real grievance against the veterinary nutritionists who are exploiting this matter and using it for their own profit. This is the time to for veterinary nutritionists to come together and put something up on a website so that we don't do further damage to our pets.

Linda

Lynn,



I'm no expert. But I do watch my dogs carefully. When I switched them to homecooked, the changes in their attitudes and their coats, not to mention their poops, just amazed me.



It's not easy and requires some work - but nothing in life worth anything is easy.



Linda MS.

dottie

Just sent my thank you to Senator Durbin and my "thoughts" to the PFI contact us. Thought Mr E ought to know what we really think ~ he's heard but he's not listening.

Lynn

FDA, SUNDLOF



Please don't misinterpet this:



I'm thinking that the Veterinary Division of the FDA is like a foster child. I think they have been inferred to have the responsibility and authority to keep pets safe. But they have little resources. I will give them credit in terms of focusing on getting to the source of the wheat gluten, naming the supplier, and blocking it from entering the country.



I still think that there must be a Veterinary CDC to deal with the toxicology, or science-based aspects of food regulation.

Linda

On another note, I don't like to over vaccinate. So one of my dogs doesn't like the vets, so I took him in for shots and said just the rabies, and when I came back, my vet said "I went ahead and gave him a booster for everything."



I like my vet, he is a kind and caring man, who is only trying to do what is best for my dog, but I was somewhat annoyed to say the lease.



Linda MS.

Lynn

Durbin did an outstanding job. I just wish that the issue of laboratories and testing came up in the hearing. But then, it's probably a moot point until such time as the real contaminant chemicals are discovered......then watch out!!!



I thought it was very telling that Andrew von Eschenbach [commissioner of the FDA] couldn't spare the time to be present. I'm beginning to think that Sundlof is his good little soldier - just following orders and doing the best he can with what little resources he's got.

Nadine Long

What percentage of the PFI also represents what percentage of the human food manufacturing industry; what is that elitist society's name? Just wondering who is really running the country.



Mr. E is a slime ball.



Anyone know what Sen. Durbin's next move is? I can't imagine it ending there.



Has anyone heard anything about the yet unidentified toxin in the wheat gluten? This needs to be pressed. The question about renal disease/failure increase in humans did not go unnoticed. Another subject to quantify and compare.



More work to be done.

Dee

Why didn't that jackass from the Pet Food Institute just say, "Look, our members won't be buying any more ingredients from Chia since we can't guarantee their safety"? After watching his smarmy performance, I'm more convinced than ever that homecooking is the only way to go. No one on the committee or the panel would touch seriously the issue of how risky it is that we're importing so much food from countries that don't give a damn about purity, safety, or even the lives of humans or dogs & cats.

E. Hamilton

And the contaminated wheat gluten got into HUMAN FOOD. USE this.

That is big, BIG news, as Christie said it was a bombshell.

USE it to push the story forward.

Do not let this get buried.

And Nestle/Purina announced today that they are buying a babyfood company-Gerber.

Get the news out.

With tainted food still on the shelves, a senator saying the tainted stuff made it into HUMAN food before being pulled( and why was THAT not on the news??) and a company associated with bad pet food trying to buy a babyfood company- this story should be front page news for months!

USE THIS!

Durbin did an good job, we can do more and we can do it today.

MARY ANN

after watching the hearing today the man from the PFI WAS a joke and should be fired ! i don't think it's safe to feed our pets dog or cat food now. how many pets died since nov when this crap from menu foods ended up in our pets food?

DeeAnn

The (PFI) Pet Food Institute and the big pet food companies, wants everyone to believe they are the only ones with special talent to make pet food.





Well, they have been the only ones that DO MAKE,



Can O Crap



And



Bag O Crap



Pet Food.



I certainly can NOT reproduce what they do, nor do I want to.

Gina Spadafori

I'm not going to allow racist comments about "the Chinese" any more than I'm allowing porn spam or profanity. I've deleted a couple today.



"The Chinese" are no more of a single mind that Americans are. What some Asian cultures may do with dogs and cats does not equate to universal consensus within those cultures on such practices.

Linda

I will write all my reps. in congress etc, also state level, call them too, and tell everyone I know about this problem.



Tonight I will make homemade dog food, play with my dogs and thank God they are alive. The rest I just don't know about. The forces are against us, but I will not give up.



Don't get me started on China - I know all about the horrors of China and their poor animals.



More later,



Linda MS

Linda

One last comment, I watched videos of crying woman and children while their pet dogs were taken from their clutching arms - yes in China. It was heartbreaking. So, many Chinese love their pets and their dogs.



Linda MS

Don

No amount of taxpayer-funded government regulation, industry oversight, congressional hearings, even Senator Byrd's little "Trouble," is going to provide pet owners with 100% protection from tainted ingredients regardless of where they come from. We heard loudly and clearly this afternnoon that food products are tested for toxins ONLY AFTER they have been previously identified as contaminants. It is foolish for anyone to think let alone expect that that our food chain can be tested for every toxin on earth.



I have no doubt that the Menu Food recall will do much to highlight the lapses of a system that is inherently weak to begin with - but 100% guarantees won't be forthcoming from anyone. It is impossible and none of those that testified today had the fortitude to say so.



Further regulation is hardly the answer. Regulators have proven over and over again that they are inept and incestuous.



Going forward, we need to take more personal responsibility for what we buy, educate ourselves to the best of our abilities, and know that what we purchase never will be 100% safe.

Shawn

Was only able to watch the hearing up to the point that Byrd (bless his heart) started talking about his dry eyes and knowing Mayor Daily??? At any rate, from my point of view there were only a few unexpected pieces of information: 1) the exalted AAFCO is a volunteer organization, HA!HA! 2) and this is serious, according to Elizabeth Hodgkins the pet food companies do not test their products to see if they will support longevity in a pet. Not even with short lived rats, where they could extrapolate to a longer lived mammal????? And they expect us to feed our animals the same product all the time and they don't even know how long an animal can be maintained on it??? And that is a reason why the labeling on say a bag of pet food should be far more clear and detailed than on a can of pineapple. Most animals only eat that one bag of food! Humans don't just eat pineapple!!!!! I will send an email to Sen. Durbin thanking him for holding the hearing, but it is just a tiny start. I am still glad that my cookbook is in the mail (I hope). BTW the link wasn't working when I tried to listen to the rest of the hearing a bit ago.

Miro'

This hearing is available now on C-Span.org as “Sen. Appropriations Subcmte. Hearing on Contaminated Pet Food”. Please watch, and ask your representatives for support. Nothing will be done to oversee or regulate safety and proper nutrition unless there is a united public outcry. Do we need more regulation, or do we just need to insist that current regulations are enforced? Watching this jumbled mess will let you know just what pet owners are up against. My head is still spinning. Who are these people that are insisting that the insustry is safe? Please take the time to watch, and let it motivate you to make noise. Make phone calls. Write letters. We all know that our pets are worth it.

Linda

Shawn,



pet food companies are required to test for a short period of time, and the animal cannot lose more than 15 lbs during that time - then the food is suitable but it is marketed as sustaining life and good life at that.



Linda MS.

pet owner research

Mal-- THESE WEB PAGES ARE FOR YOU!!!

C/O Pet Owner Research



I found these pages at the same time as the two I posted last night. I just didn't list them because I didn't know if the first two would catch some ones eye. I’m interested and anxious to hear your results soon. If not hear any more than Itchmo maybe?



Hope these help you, I will repeat the first 2 for others to view, and post 5 more for your investigations. Some I book marked just for the reference of a name or place.



1. About experimental wheat grown in U.S.



http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/monsanto_wheat.cfm



2. The St. Louis Co. they didn't mention



http://www.allbusiness.com/marketing/market-research/571452-1.html



3. The name and place of Doane in Europe



http://www.euratlantic.org/documents/download/northamericancompanies.pdf



4. Doane's subsidiaries cheat government claiming to be a small company--must pay!



http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/pae/News/Pr/2007/jan/pet_release.PDF



5. Doane teams with this European company, wonder if Keynetec leads anywhere interesting?



http://www.allbusiness.com/marketing/market-research/571452-1.html



6. Names, Address, Email, Employees of Companies, Notice how many times you see DOANE!



http://www.allbusiness.com/technology/internet-technology/734482-1.html



7. A longer article about Mars Inc. buying out Doane Pet Products.



http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section_id=9&screen=news&news_id=49448



Hope this help you MAL-- or any other armature investigator. I noticed interestingly enough that at the bottom of the allbusines.com pages it has a copywrite credit to "Doane Informational Service"







Last but not least, THEY TRIED TO TELL US "WE ARE NOT FACING A PET FOOD CRISIS!!"



"It is important to realize that this represents a very small proportion of the commercial pet food market (about 1 percent)."



"…Manufacturers are run by people who own and love pets, too. They also understand it is never in the best interest of a company to sell potentially unsafe products."



"Most of all, don't panic! We are not facing a pet-food crisis"





They Said It!! Not Us!! Now Pet Food Companies---Practice What You Preach!!



At only 1% of the industry affected:

DON’T cry to the government later for financial relief and tax breaks claiming what a big loss you took or how much it affected business.



DON”T raise the prices at the stores on your products trying to reclaim some of your net losses.



DON”T lay workers off or down size due to financial cut backs. This will only hurt the families of the people who have been the MOST loyal to you— YOUR WORKERS!!



HONOR your employees, for they are the very people who kept their mouths shut and didn't sell or blab insider secrets or stories about the real workings with in your company walls.



If you really are to blame--then SUCK IT UP!!! Whether you admit it or not, learn from THIS so called hiccup. ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS INCCENDENT FOREVER--SO THAT IT MAY HOPEFULLY NEVER AGAIN BE REPEATED!!



And lastly—

DO that one thing which makes each of us human and separates us from the rest--APPOLOGIZE!!



You are hoping to gain OUR Good Faith back as customers, --- Show us Your Good Faith by not letting this issue become any more NEGATIVE, as by creating a Snowball Effect that effects our Pockets and Families and Neighbors who work for you.





HOW HARD CAN ALL THAT BE?



AFTER ALL IT'S NOT A PET FOOD CRISIS!!!



IT WILL ONLY REPRESENTS A VERY SMALL PORTION OF YOUR PET FOOD MARKET---



ABOUT 1% YOU SAID --- RIGHT???

Marcy

We have a lot of very intelligent people on here...



has anyone thought of forming a coalition regarding this issue?



Remember...



David defeated Goliath...with a slingshot and stone, aimed at his most vulnerable point.

elizabeth R

E. Hamilton, as I understand from both the hearing and Christie's live blog it was a similar lot number to the tainted batch that they checked out in the human food chain. It was not actually the tainted batch and after tests to be extra sure, it proved to be OK. Durbin's question was to clarify that.

Linda

Shawn,



It's six months and the dog can't lose more than 15 lbs.



I do believe that experts advise owners to switch dog foods so as to provide better long term nutition.



Linda MS.

Andrea

Why are reported pet deaths declining? Cause the pets that were eating the bad food are already dead!! I guess you could say the worst is over.



I'm taking the 'money talks/bs walks' approach to this.

-Will I buy commercial pet food? - Yes

-Will I buy anything with wheat gluten, ever - No?

-Will I buy anything from companies who delayed, smoke-screened, etc? - No - and that includes you Nutro with your oh so safe dry food.



That still leaves me with - Innova, Wellness, Natural Balance & Buffalo Blue dry, and NB and BB and Merrick wet - since they are not made by Menus Foods and contain no wheat gluten. Innova (Natura) says they will find another place to have their food made or open their own plant - once they do I'll buy their wet food as well. I hope Wellness will follow their lead. I know there are other companies out there that would meet my criteria - but I think this is an adequate selection for my two fussy furbabies.



Vote for change with your $$$s.

Linda

Update on the Chinese investigation - some is a repeat of what we know, some is a clarification and the long process ahead to identify all the unkown toxic junk (my words) in the Wheat Gluten:



http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/rss/s_502101.html



Today's article.



Linda MS

Cynthia

Here's a good article interviewing Elizabeth Hodgkins who testified today. Looks like she'll have a book out with recipes(!) in June.



http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/life/themorningread/article_1650154.php

Linda

Thank you for that article.



So far my homecooking meals for my dogs is not cheap.



I buy local or California and my meat is the best I can afford - I'm not wealthy and it is not easy but by goodness I am not poisoning them.



Linda MS

lamquambi

THEY TRIED TO TELL US



"WE ARE NOT FACING A PET FOOD CRISIS!!"



"It is important to realize that this represents a very small proportion of the commercial pet food market (about 1 percent)."



"…Manufacturers are run by people who own and love pets, too. They also understand it is never in the best interest of a company to sell potentially unsafe products."



"Most of all, don't panic! We are not facing a pet-food crisis"





They Said It!!

Not Us!!



O.K. Pet Food Companies---



Practice What You Preached!!





At only 1% of the industry affected:

DON’T cry to the government later for financial relief and tax breaks claiming what a big loss you took or how much it affected business.



DON”T raise the prices at the stores on your products trying to reclaim some of your net losses.



DON”T lay workers off or down size due to financial cut backs. This will only hurt the families of the people who have been the MOST loyal to you— YOUR WORKERS!!



HONOR your employees, for they are the very people who kept their mouths shut and didn't sell or blab insider secrets or stories about the real workings with in your company walls.



If you really are to blame--then SUCK IT UP!!! Whether you admit it or not, learn from THIS so called hiccup. ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS INCCENDENT FOREVER--SO THAT IT MAY HOPEFULLY NEVER AGAIN BE REPEATED!!



And lastly—

DO that one thing which makes each of us human and separates us from the rest--APPOLOGIZE!!





You are hoping to gain OUR Good Faith back as customers, --- Show us YOUR Good Faith by not letting this issue become any more NEGATIVE, as by creating a Snowball Effect that will reflect on OUR Pockets and OUR Families and OUR Friends & Neighbors who work for you.





HOW HARD CAN ALL THAT BE?



AFTER ALL IT'S NOT A PET FOOD CRISIS!!!



IT WILL ONLY REPRESENTS A VERY SMALL PORTION OF YOUR PET FOOD MARKETS---



ABOUT 1% YOU SAID --- RIGHT???

Cynthia

This is worth a read. P&G (Iams, Eukanuba owners) is THE master of marketing... THEY invented the soap opera in order to sell their products all those years ago... and so on for more of their very clever marketing techiques because they have grown with the times.



http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1609809,00.html

marcy

Comment by Andrea — April 12, 2007 @ 3:39 pm

Hi Andrea,

I think you should also be asking these companies.....

"Innova, Wellness, Natural Balance & Buffalo Blue dry, and NB and BB and Merrick wet" -



If they purchase any ingredients raw or otherwise from Menu Foods or their supplier? Remember Menu Foods buys in bulk and sells ingredients to other pet food manufacturers....



Just a thought......

Linda

The source of vitamins in the dog food is a concern. I wonder if they are from China?



Linda MS

Marcy

Good article from MSNBC on the International concerns over China's food export safety, brought about by the recent pet food recall:



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18078824/

Cynthia

Linda, I don't know that the source of vitamins for pets are any different than for humans... for example, I think the kelp supplement that has been found to contain arsenic was on the shelf for people.



http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/blogs/jon/

Linda

I do want to add that China is trying to make changes with vaccinating dogs against rabies - progress is slow but they are trying. I will not post the link here but it was in the China Daily newspaper.



China is a thrid world communist country and changes do not come easyily or quickly. Many fine organizations are trying to help bring about changes for the better - for the animals too.



Even so, I personally do not buy China and avoid food products for health reasons.



Linda MS.

Linda

e-mail I received from a very nice vet and column writer about what might be in dog food. According to blog rules I am not posting his name here.



Hi Linda,



It's good to hear from you. These are good and common questions that I get asked on a pretty regular basis. There are some high-profile, inflammatory expose' type articles out there that suggest some horrible atrocities taking place in the pet food industry, such as using road-kill and kitchen-sink type ingredients in pet food. My answer is that I cannot verify those allegations and do not believe that many are true. Large, established companies such as Purina, Hills, etc. would be VERY slow to do something so grossly offensive and jeopardize their reputation.In today's world, there are waaaay too many whistle-blowers that make something like the use road kill common and indisputable knowledge. These companies are being watched very carefully by special interest groups, more so than the FDA.



The point is that their foods are bad enough with the "approved" ingredients- the gluten grains, soy, corn and now dairy products...again. That last one is insane, after we took all dairy out 20 years ago and for good reason. The pets are being sickened by these "staple" but totally unnatural ingredients every single day, with or without rat bait or plastic contaminants. We don't need to be looking for overtly offensive additives to explain the problems we are seeing, although it is painfully clear that we need to for the safety of our pets...and us.



They are supposed to list all ingredients in the food, starting with the most abundant. Whether some "secret"ingredients exist is unlikely, especially in the case of the bigger companies, buuuut....stranger things have happened. :(



I hope this helps,

4lgdfriend

to the person who exclaimed: "pet food companies do not test their products to see if they will support longevity in a pet. Not even with short lived rats, where they could extrapolate to a longer lived mammal????? And they expect us to feed our animals the same product all the time and they don’t even know how long an animal can be maintained on it??? "



that's right folks! that's what all the wacko nutso animal advocate freaks have been trying to point out..........

prettykat

do you know whats in pet food? put down dogs and cats and many other dead animals that is just sick and wrong so my pets were eat other animals the pet food makers are down right dumb all they care about is money and wheather they'll be able to have wine with dinner or if they'll have fancy parties and expesive stuff

Linda

Thank you Cynthia - I saw that. So I am staying away from supplements except some that I simply need - like feverfew for headaches - nothing else works and I don't care for our high-powered drugs - but if the feverfew has arsenic I may have no other choice.



The weather does it for me, not just stress.



Linda MS

Linda

They are supposed to test for a six-month period and the dog cannot lose more than 15 pounds, hopefully the dog is fat to begin with.



Linda MS

4lgdfriend

same animal advocate freaks that have been saying vaccinations given repeatedly when duration of immunity studies being done show longterm protection.... we're not just talking about petfood made of industrial waste here, the pethealth business is influenced by big pharma and their lobbyists too. Between the risky, poorly researched vaccines that cause as many problems as they "prevent" ( that's questionable too) and the all the crap food sold and even w little/no trng in nutrition, veterinarians are GUARANTEED a lifelong income. and our pets are GUARANTEED lifelong illness. Read it and weep. I'm so d888 glad this has been exposed. MAY IT CONTINUE TO BE.

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