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« And the Scottish Deerhound wins at the Garden! | Main | Head of B.C. task force: Sled dogs ' aren ' t pets, ' can be killed »

18 February 2011

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Gina Spadafori

It wasn't auto-filled, you silly. It was Gina-filled. :)

Christie Keith

Glenye, I had a very sweeping statement there about all kinds of purpose-bred dogs, but it got lost in the editing process. I believe this is a principle that needs to be upheld in general, not something specific to one type of dog or one type of work done by dogs: They are individuals. Treat them that way.

Lore Dasse

I have a former greyhound racer and she has just been wonderful I agree 1 dog at a time most dogs can adjust and be adoptable

Glenye Oakford

Christie,



I agree. They are individuals and should be treated that way. Just didn't want pack hounds (or hunting hounds generally) to be left out if there was an opportunity for me to mention them. We hear that "Oh, they can't be adopted" line, too, but we know they can be. As in all dog adoptions, a hound or former hunting hound won't be right for every situation, but they most certainly are adoptable, in my experience.

Kim Thornton

Fabulous, as always. Looking forward to reading the rest.

Christie Keith

Hmmm, I see the link wasn't there. I'd say it was late and I forgot, but when I went to add it now, it auto-filled. Odd. ;/



Anyway, it's up there now, but here it is:



https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/02/18/petscol021811.DTL

Glenye Oakford

CHristie wrote: it's also true of racing greyhounds and sled dogs.



It's also true of working pack hounds. We've got two and know of many others.

FrogDogz

I have a friend who does sled dog rescue. While they can be more challenging to place, she tells me that they're no more so than most older, less socialized dogs of any breed who come into rescue. It just takes time, patience and some training.



To write an entire breed off as un adoptable and un placeable - isn't that Peta and HSUS' job?

Rachel

Link to SF column?



I can't say anything that wasn't already about the mass murder. I find the 'experts' particularly pernicious. People who get up, put on their socks and shoes, and leave their house saying, "I will be an expert on animals today". Going through advanced schooling, writing papers, while seeking & acquiring little to no hands on experience w/ animals, and feeling perfectly comfortable making life altering pronouncements for them.



Bit of a tangent, but I always wonder about people that are so married to their ignorance. I suspect it may be the result of a larger phenomenon: people going into fields to which they are specifically NOT suited. (I have personal experience: When my father died young, my mother shlepped us to numerous psychiatrists, and I was completely gob smacked how many exuded an overwhelming discomfort around other human beings and were full blown misanthropes. I saw the same thing w/ many who choose to work w/ children in other capacities.) I've long wondered if it isn't a common motivating force- that some people are bound and determined to do the one thing they have no affinity for. Fine if your desire is to be actor- but borderline evil if the 'thing' puts you in a powerful position over vulnerable beings.

CathyA

Here's da link to Part 2 ;-)



https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/02/18/petscol021811.DTL

Glenye Oakford

HEEEEEY!

Gina Spadafori

Ms. Oakford is an expert is re-homing pack hounds, but DO NOT let her back up your truck.



:::Ducking, running:::

Kathy

I am from the area where this happened and we have all been so devastated by this. I do not support the SPCA's position that working dogs are unadoptabled....that is what many said about the Vick dogs and many of them are not only thriving, but some are now therapy dogs.

Social Mange

Excellent article, Christie.



What really frightens me is how Ms. Moriarty's comments are only one step to the side from those of "breed banners"....the lumping of individuals into a mass and incorrect generalization.

H. Houlahan

Rachel, I like the way you put things.



I have not been the first hands-on trainer to notice that certain degreed "behaviorists" appear to be afraid of dogs -- maybe big dogs, or fast-moving dogs, or dogs with charisma, or working dogs, or unruly dogs, or certain breeds. Or maybe all dogs.



I'm all for people facing their fears and attacking their personal shortcomings.



Just as long as they don't take somebody else down with them. On your own time, please.



I see projection by the nameless US "expert" (if he or she even exists) and the BC SPCA bureaucrat.



"I'm afraid of those fast, vigorous, intense dogs with the icy eyes that see through me. So they are impossible to reconcile with my idea of a pet dog in a home. It's easier for me if someone else just kills them."

MeganB.

They're such emotional, loving, social creatures. It doesn't surprise me in the least to hear such great stories about re-homing the unadoptable dog. We prize dogs for their adaptability then underestimate them categorically. Given love and patience, I bet most of them could be placed in happy homes. That they've been deprived their whole lives in not a justification for continuing to do so in the future. I'm disgusted by the BCSPCA's rationalization. Thanks for the article.

jo

ā€œIā€™m afraid of those fast, vigorous, intense dogs with the icy eyes that see through me.ā€



oh man...first a thunderstorm (with Kona, one of my unadoptable sled dogs, in my lap) then this line.{{shudder}}



Do you know how many times I hear similar comments on the street? I can't reconcile the marshmallow man K cuddling during a storm with people who cross the street when they see us coming.



We worry so much about socializing our dogs - maybe there should be a person socializing movement?

karen pastore

The human race is so violent: domestic abuse, human sex trafficking , rape , war , hate...if any group should be summed up as hopless and killed off ...it is us...ourselves...humans...THAT we would NEVER allow...So who are we, of all beings, to play the hanging judge to others !!!! The Michael Vick case should have taught us better, as was mentioned above.

Christie Keith

Humans, like dogs, should be evaluated as individuals.

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