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08 October 2010

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Kyle

Funny, how they don't think there are any issues with high levels of vitamin D when Michigan State University has just issued a statement about vitamin D toxicity in dogs that may be related to diet.



http://www.animalhealth.msu.edu/News/Announcements.php#78



Kyle

Gina Spadafori

"Dear Fellow Pet Parents"? Gag.



I have to wonder what they would have done had not the veterinary community suspected there was a problem.



Actually, I don't wonder at all.

Susanbt

Even in humans, Vitamins A and D are two of the few vitamins you can take to excess, because they are stored in fat. Most other vitamins are water-soluble, so the excess comes out in urination.

Therese

Gina, I totally forgot it was Friday until I saw the recall!



Yea, I like that fellow pet parent thing, too. I guess that's supposed to mean we're all in this together? Gag.

Deb

I saw this on David Greene's FB page, and because I don't think I can express myself any better now than I did then: Kinda weird to qoute oneself.

"Yanno folks, I don't care how proactive you are, or how flowery your prose on your website is. If you can't treat me, your customer, with respect starting with sharing recall information immediately, I will not buy your product. Period. I really don't care about your excuses. What I do care about is my pets. If one of them gets ill because you've pulled a Friday Dump and Run, what on earth makes you think I'll keep purchasing your food?"

Gina Spadafori

Exactly. These companies that do it -- whether pet products or not -- get a red line through them on my shopping list forever. Saying "Dear Fellow Pet Parent" is lipstick on a pig.

David S. Greene

Deb, at least you won't have to worry accusations of plagiarism.

H. Houlahan

I have still never given birth to anything or anyone with fur.

Phyllis DeGioia

This past August, there was concern within the veterinary community about hypercalcemia and vit D toxicity in dogs who ate certain types of Blue Buffalo. To the best of my limited knowledge, there has not been any definitive causal relationship established, but affected dogs got better immediately after not eating the Blue Buffalo. Check out the VIN News Service article about it.





Veterinarians report mysterious link between dog food and hypercalcemia

http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=16468

Susan Fox

What the, uh, heck is a "Natural Evolutionary Diet"? Did they come up with that by moving those little magnetized word thingies around on their refrigerator until they came up with a combination that sounded cool?



This "pet owner" will never buy any of your products, Blue Buffalo. Ever.

Susan Fox

Oh, and thanks for cutting off my 15 minutes of fame, too.

Tabitha

I have and will continue to feed Blue. I have tried about every natural "holistic" dog food on the market that meets what I look for in a dog food, and I keep coming back to Blue because it has simply worked the best for my dogs. You can get mad at a recall and boycott the company, sure. But anything you feed your pet, even human food, is subject to recall. My friends went to feeding a raw diet, saying they never wanted to deal with the "evil dishonest pet food companies again" and their dogs ended up eating contaminated eggs from the recall a month or two ago. Nothing is 100% risk-free. I actually commend Blue, because they are not even required to recall the food or give public notice about it since the possible vitamin D excess still falls within AAFCO standards. Makes me wonder how many companies, even the ones who we praise for having little to no recall history, actually just have let product slide. As for being a pet parent, you're dang right I am. No reason to get offended, Petco, Petsmart, and most dog food/toy/training/grooming companies also also refer to the pet-owning public as "Pet Parents".

David S. Greene
And isn’t it funny when this company finds itself with what it appears to believe is a “PR problem” not a “quality-control problem” people suddenly appear on the blogs to swear their allegiance to the food? And to swipe at another food, or, in this case, a home-prepared diet?

Funny as in, that simply cannot be a coincidence.


-- comment by Gina Spadafori

I should think Blue Buffalo's strategy for dealing with their successive recalls would be to say loudly and publicly "This is bad. We are SO sorry for the pain and fear our product recalls have caused, and we vow to do everything we possibly can to restore your trust and make safety job one, so this doesn't happen again." That's exactly what Toyota (eventually) did earlier this year, and approximately what BP's transparent PR campaign has been about since the disaster in the Gulf. That, however, is not what Blue Buffalo is doing. It makes me wonder who is giving them PR advice, and why they're not changing their course.

Lis

Tabitha, ALL food recalls are voluntary, because the FDA has no power to order them. Blue gets no extra points for this being a "voluntary" recall.



Nothing is 100% risk-free, but Blue has in fact been slow about sharing the information on this problem, which was identified not by Blue's testing, but by dogs actually getting sick from eating the food. This announcement in particular is yet another "Friday night dump-and-run," announced at a time when it would miss the news cycle, not get picked up and get the attention it needs.



As pointed out by others, Vitamin D is something you do not want to be casual about excess amounts because it is known to be toxic in excess. Not just in dogs, but in humans, too, so it's not a surprise or anything.



AAFCO standards are bare minimum standards, and while you don't want to feed a pet food that doesn't at least meet them, you won't find many people here who are overly impressed by them as a guarantee of any kind of quality.

Joani Schofield

This sort of thing makes me even happier to be going to pick up my dog's local, grass-fed/finished raw beef food this morning.

Gina - love the pig in lipstick comment, so true!

Gina Spadafori

I refer to myself as a "pet parent," so that's not what the problem was. It was using the term in context with dropping a recall notice when it's most likely to be overlooked. As in, "we pretend to care, but really ... we don't."



And isn't it funny when this company finds itself with what it appears to believe is a "PR problem" not a "quality-control problem" people suddenly appear on the blogs to swear their allegiance to the food? And to swipe at another food, or, in this case, a home-prepared diet?



Funny as in, that simply cannot be a coincidence.



Based on their corporate behavior going back three years, this is simply not a company I could ever recommend, not matter what their food is like. A pretty package with all the right words, a picture of a wolf and a corporate strategy that's about hiding until they're caught, downplaying recall notices and sending out people to astroturf the blogs?



FAIL.



Proctor & Gamble (maker of Iams/Eukanuba) has a far better record for corporate behavior: Not only did they FORCE Menu to trigger the 2007 recall, but they have worked honestly and hard to let customers know of every problem with their food since. THEIR social media outreach doesn't spend time using fake customers to swear undying allegiance, but rather to get the word out about a recall.



I don't personally use their food, but I certainly commend them on their behavior. Blue Buffalo? Not so much.

Deb

I wondered if the response here to the collective criticism of Blue Buffalo's recall handling was a "plant". Especially since I recall reading not long ago of the latest debacle with Jack DeCoster whose infamy is well known that the strain of salmonella in his eggs is one that canids don't have a problem with. There are many strains of Salmonella, and dogs can safely consume a fair number without illness while we humans can't. I searched fruitlessly for the citations and hope someone more skilled than I can track the info down. I'd love to see the "plants" hoisted on their own petards!

We'd all like to see any recall whatever it may be treated as you say, David. Just as I would like to see politicians admit to their peccadilloes right at the onset of the scandal. I am afraid though when it comes to politicians and corporations, this is the stuff of dreams.

Sandi K

From what I can see, they do have the recall info on their news page but in order to get to that, you have to click on their "Health & Nutrition" drop down link then go to "Blue News" and its there. So once again, someone has to go searching to find it at their site.

Sandi K

Not to mention the wording on a couple of things really irks me. The part about "any negative reaction to these products has been confined to a very small segment of the canine population who appear to be sensitive to higher levels of Vitamin D..." Maybe Im wrong but Im reading this like its the dogs fault...darn those pesky dogs that are sensitive to higher levels of vit d anyway...and its not just higher levels, its called vit d toxicity isnt it?



And then the other part..."These are the ONLY code dates being recalled" See its not that bad, these are the only dates being recalled. Never mind that the "only" dates being recalled range from July to October. Good grief Blue Buffalo.

Ruth

You know what I find funny? The way some of you think some comments are "plants". What if they do come from people who genuinely want to comment or ask a question here?



I posted a question about homemade dog food recipes and my post got deleted. Well, I posted here cause you all seemed to really care about your pets and I read some of you mentioned homemade food, and nobody seems to agree in all the other websites I have checked.

Plus, I own 2 adults, a puppy and a senior, and I'm scared of not giving them the best nutrition.



I'm still having head and stomachaches over what is the best (or at least the most DECENT) dry food for my dogs, and seriously, I'm crying for help here! Just because I happen to mention I currently feed them Blue Buffalo doesn't mean I work for them, for crying out loud.



Not to mention I don't live in the US, it's already hard for me to go there and buy better food than the horrible crap we get here. And the worst thing is that I'm alone in this, cause everybody I know thinks I'm insane for daring to worry about my pets as if they really were part of my family and getting them something better than Purina, oh no!



Please, guys, don't immediately mistrust any poster just cause you think it's a spammer. I apologize for the lengthy post, and I'll just go back quietly to reading page after page after page after page after page of reviews and google where-to-buy searches of the so-called premium dog foods.

Sandi K

I noticed in the VIN article, it said ""The problem, officials say, likely stems from what appears to be a glitch tied to one of the company’s dry ingredients suppliers concerning a form of vitamin D that’s not supposed to be in the Blue Buffalo foods in question."



It implies that it was the form of vit D? So maybe it wasnt the amount of vit D, but the type? I dont know if there is a form of vit D that isnt as well tolerated by dogs or that shoulnt be given to dogs? Its all speculation on my part but the letter from BB says it was higher levels of vit D and the VIN article implies its a form that wasnt supposed to be in the food.



http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=16727

Joy

My bet: the manufacturer for Blue Buffalo is a contract facility that also makes chicken feed. To claim "vitamin D enriched" eggs, the chicken feed company includes large doses of Vitamin D to their feed formula. The excess vitamin D in the pet food was caused by either a failure to clean the machinery or by a vitamin D "enriched" dry ingredient meant for poultry feed being used instead in the pet food.

Gina Spadafori

You know what I find funny? The way some of you think some comments are “plants”. What if they do come from people who genuinely want to comment or ask a question here?



Comment by Ruth — October 9, 2010



We don't think they are ... we KNOW they are. They're following a script.



But Ruth, we do sometimes guess wrong, and I'm sorry we did with you.

Christie Keith

I'm sorry, too, that we got yours wrong. But one of the reasons they USE this script is because it can so easily look like a genuine comment from a concerned pet owner. If we hadn't gotten dozens of them in a row, all from brand new users and all using different words to tell a very similar story, we'd have never noticed they were "fake."

2ittybittykitties

These contract manufacturers that produce the cat, dog, chicken, swine etc. feeds all use vitamin premixes. They aren't using the raw form of vitamins individually. So it appears to be another problem with the vitamin premix, just like the last one with insufficient thiamine from Diamond Foods use of premixes.



During this same time period, the FDA put out a notice about swine feed having insufficient amounts of Vitamin D: http://bit.ly/9IOAwv



In both instances it appears as though the vitamin premix firm is manufacturing the premixes incorrectly.

Joy

Sandi, if it was the wrong TYPE of Vitamin D, I was thinking it could easily be something like "Hy.D" (brand name) high-dose vitamin d3 supplement used in most poultry feed.



I can't remember but did anything ever come of the Vitamin D excesses found in Royal Canin and Nutro a few years back? I mean, did they ever succeed in tracing the source or identifying the problem ingredient?

Joy

When I say 'type" I mean the premix, not specific type of d vitamin.

Carol V

http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=16727



"A veterinarian who works with Blue Buffalo posted a more technical and in-depth explanation of the problem to his colleagues in a VIN message board discussion, though the VIN News Service could not immediately obtain his permission to publicly relay the information."



So I am wondering if this will be made public?...any connections here??

Joy

So, are they concluding that the problem was with the ingredient supplier, not the manufacturer?

dee

I called the hotline at blue buffalo and they were useless....I'm awaiting a call back in about 24 hours from someone who can help me...Ah, where am I??????? I purchased a bag about 3 weeks ago, put the kibble into it's airtight container and tossed the bag...and with it, most likely the receipt too! According to blue buffalo, if I don't have either one of these I cannot get a refund! WHAT???? I have almost a full trash bag full of possibly contaminated food and they can't do anything about it? If you read the memo posted on the company's website, there's no mention of having to have the bag or the receipt...Almost $50 down the tubes...I guess I'll have to start keeping the bags stored in my garage "just in case"...yes, I love america.

Gina Spadafori

So I am wondering if this will be made public?…any connections here??



Comment by Carol V — October 11, 2010



We're working on it, but VIN discussions are closed to anyone except VIN member veterinarians. If VIN doesn't release the info, we can't share the info.

Kim

I want to know who supplies the vitamin premix to Blue Buffalo.



It was a company called Troux I believe, that supplied the Nutro premix that was all screwed up.



But what REALLY burns my ass is that this is not a simple mistake. This is a complete breakdown in safety procedures that are obviously being overlooked.



The premix company did not properly test its finished product.



Blue did not test the premix when they received it to ensure that it met their specifications.



Blue did not test the resulting food properly to ensure that it met their specifications.



OR - and this is more likely - they figured the issue would be brushed off as a few random illnesses and they would never be forced to recall.



HUGE thanks to all those on the interwebs who track these issues, including those vets who actively participate in VIN.

E. Hamilton

I would like to thank the VIN and MSU for forcing this "voluntary" recall on a pet food company. I do not do this lightly as I am, and remain, a harsh critic of many Veterinary actions and inaction's in the matter of pet food.

However, the fact remains that this was a pet saving action and I applaud it as such.

Thank you VIN and MSU.

Gina Spadafori

Taking into consideration this company's past performance, I'd say that's a valid concern.

5CatMom

Just got an update from FDA about BB's recall. It appears that 2 more codes were added to the salmon, 24 lb:



Sep2311

Oct2611



http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/default.htm



Very concerned that this recall may still be "rolling".

Carol V

"Just got an update from FDA about BB’s recall. It appears that 2 more codes were added to the salmon, 24 lb:

Sep2311

Oct2611



http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/default.htm



Very concerned that this recall may still be “rolling”.



Comment by 5CatMom — October 12, 2010 @ 12:58 pm

Not sure why this info is not on the Blue Buffalo news..not updated there since Oct 8th as far as I can tell....the company must know alot of pet owners are watching..and vets too..

Sandi K

No tweets about it on Twitter either, other than one advising someone to call their customer service number.

Ericka Basile

Well, they say they have fixed it.



Not.



Their 2010 statement "action to insure that this type of human error will never happen again."



I'm not a fan of the word never.

5CatMom

Something very wrong with the pet food industry.



A single stupid ripples through the entire process and hurts our pets.



Clearly, some of these companies aren't really serious about making pet food. Otherwise, they'd be more careful with the manufacturing.



Heck, they might even get a bit of technical help from a Manufacturing Engineer or a Quality Assurance Manager.



Guess it's easier to create beautiful advertising.

5CatMom

Ericka,



Maybe have a lookie at comment #55 by Spartycats on Itchmoforums.com.



For years, we've heard "shock and awe" from PFC's, but no effective change in their business operations.



http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/msu-researchers-link-blue-buffalo-chicken-recipevit-d-dog-illnesses-nationwide-t11996.0.html;msg183520

Susan Fox

Well, it is, of course. The magazine doesn't get sick or die if there's a typo in the ad.

5CatMom

Yeah, I called yesterday a talked to someone at the "call center" who didn't have a clue and could barely read the script.



From the questions she asked, it's not clear that BB has a clue about what food is affected.



I finally said, "Wow! That's a lot of questions. How about I ask you a few!"



Sorry to be a cynic, but I have a bad feeling about this.

5CatMom

Yesterday, I was waiting for my dental appointment, and happened to glance through the current copy of Better Homes & Gardens magazine.



Following page 98 is a beautiful full color advertisement by Blue Buffalo which asks, "Is your big name cat food fooling you?" . . . Blue is made with real meat as the first ingredient, followed by whole grains . ." etc., etc.



(Yes, I know the recall involved dog food, not cat food)



Great ad, great magazine. Looks like an expensive ad. And I'm sure everyone has seen BB's television advertising. That looks expensive, too.



Here's the point: If BB can afford all that expensive advertising, why can't they afford to test the ingredients which go into their food? Or a least have someone read the tags before all the cwrap is dumped into the hopper.



There's no denying that a loyal (um, brainwashed) customer base is important, and BB doesn't seem interested in the quality of their food (my opinion), so maybe they're hoping to build market share and then sell the company for a billion $'s.



LOL, just like Natura did. Monkey see, monkey do.

Ericka Basile

@5CatMom I was reading the same issue yesterday. I really liked that ad.



My cat Sohpia was groomed yesterday and the groomer suggested I start feeding Sophia better quality food. I am now trying to find better food + not very $$$.



If I had not seen the recall on PC the BB ad could have swayed me.

Joy

Blue Buffalo says their ingredient supplier made a scheduling error and produced a Vitamin D supplement right before making the dog food.



It's unlikely we'll ever be told the name of the ingredient supplier or the manufacturer ....but doesn't it seem strange that a vitamin supplement is being made in the same facility as pet food? Unless it's a vitamin premix for animal feed...



But even then, contract facilities don't usually make the ingredients, they order them and add them to the recipes that they manufacture.



But even if they were telling the truth....what vitamin supplement would they be manufacturing that is so high in vitamin D that just its presence on the machinery could cause enough residue to result in mega doses of the vitamin in the next product that comes in contact with the machinery?

Sandi K

Joy, those are great questions, I wish we could get answers. And from 5Catmoms post above with the additional lot dates from FDA, why isnt Blue Buffalo updating their site (albeit not front page) with this info?

5CatMom

Joy,



The Dancing Dog site reported that the "problem" supplement was a chicken supplement.



Also, I called BB and was told that their contract food company is Chenango Valley. That's the same contract company that Nature's Variety had problems with some time ago.



http://www.dancingdogblog.com/2010/10/pet-food-recall-blue-buffalo-company/



Sorry, but don't know who what company supplies the supplement for Blue Buffalo. Maybe someone else does. There are only a handful of supplement companies, I believe.

Mary Ellen

I'm glad my dogs are on a raw meat diet and I only feed free range organic eggs so don't have to worry about salmonella either from cheap eggs.

What irks me about Blue Buffalo recall is that people assume that they pay a much higher price for food to be more quality-controlled when in reality it is no better than grocery store brands.

CathyA

Hey, that's encouraging! Did you ask for a full nutrtional analysis on all mins, or just Ca?

Stacey Amirov

I called Blue Buffalo a few months back to ask about the typical analysis calcium in the food. I called because I tried emailing twice over the course of 2 weeks and got no response at all. When I called I was rather rudely told that they will not give out actual calcium level in the food and there was no staff nutritionist I could speak to. In the last 3 or 4 years I have been researching calcium content in commercial dog foods I have contacted somewhere in the range of FIFTY companies and only TWO have been evasive about this information- Blue Buffalo and Nutro. Every other company I contacted was happy to answer any questions I had about their food, including any mineral %s in the food. This speaks volumes to me!!

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