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    07 February 2006

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    coturnix

    Quacks in human medicine are bad enough, but in veterinary medicine they are absolutely outrageous! I hope you submit this post to the Skeptic's Circle.

    Nancy Freedman-Smith

    Great post (as usual!)
    Nancy

    Nancy

    "And even more importantly, are people thinking when they READ them?"
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    No. No, they don't THINK. They want magic bullets that will cure their pet without any risk or discomfort. If someone has the snake oil and pretty words that makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside they're going to go for it. Damn common sense, damn the ability to think past their knee-jerk, emotion riddled reactions.

    I saw someone post to another list that they would NEVER have surgery and are now scared to have their pet neutered because they SAW a TV SHOW that *supposedly* made the statement that many anesthetics don't work like we think and that pain is felt and there is SUFFERING.

    I am ashamed to admit that I didn't even find her post worth responding to since she's already made her decision. If she can't think past one lousy tv show then how on earth would she be able to wrap her mind around anything I might say.


    Gil.

    Lol! I saw that post, Nancy, and really goggled at it. You know me, though, if it meant the dog could keep his balls, I wasn't about to try to talk her out of being dumb as a stump.

    Still, maybe I should have and maybe you should have, too. I remember years ago when my first college English teacher boiled me alive for "sounding like a billboard" in a paper I'd written and told me I had to "support" what I was saying, not just spout opinions, mine or anyone else's. I guess he got me told; my writing improved dramatically as a result.

    A lot of people come to these list with minds like blank slates because they haven't used them in quite a while and all their critical faculties have been erased, at least in reference to their dogs. Being challenged might just wake them up, those who can be awakened.

    Clark Bartram

    "Rosie is not the first dog I've owned whose objective measures of comfort have visibly and dramatically improved while being treated by an acupuncturist, and who noticeably got stiffer and less active when an appointment was missed or delayed."

    I enjoyed your article. I have had a run in or two with alternative vets who push homeopathic remedies and other nonsense. I would like to point out however that anecdotal evidence is meaningless in a scientific context. The placebo effect has been clearly shown. While the placebo effect will not effect an animal it has been clearly shown to effect animal owners.

    Alison Cummins

    No idea what the TV show in question was, but there are cheap and easy to use drugs that immobilise the animal without providing pain relief. They are specifically *not* recommended for surgery by veterinary boards, but some vets use them anyway.

    If you are concerned (which you should be), then ask exactly what anesthetic protocol your vet will be using and look it up to see if it’s recommended for that sort of procedure.

    The poor practices of some vets are not a reason not to have your animal neutered, but they are a reason to do your homework.

    (I had my dog neutered at the SPCA for very cheap before I had internet access. I now wonder whether he had the kind of anesthesia I would have wanted for him. He is, however, currently happy and healthy.)

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